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Obsidian
Uh oh. Vila's gone AWOL with the tame rodent.

What I really like about this episode is how sharp – and adult – all the characters become.
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M1795537OCVirn
Don't like to think what Vila might be up to. And Boucher leaves it all to our imagination.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
AnneArthur
How does ORAC's button actually work? It doesn't seem to switch it off, so what does it do? Allow communication?
 
M1795537OCVirn
Not only do they become more adult, he USES Cally's telepathy.
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dodgyville
I would pair this Space City episode with Freedom City episode, Gambit. I like the complicated politics it brings to the Federation. Really gives the universe a feeling of being a bit untamed.
 
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Obsidian

dodgyville wrote:

Does Chris Boucher have the most audioplay/Big Finish spin offs? Terra Nostra, Star Cops, Kaldor City...


Kaldor City is the clear winner.
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AnneArthur

dodgyville wrote:

Does Chris Boucher have the most audioplay/Big Finish spin offs? Terra Nostra, Star Cops, Kaldor City...


Is Star Cops set in this universe?
 
Obsidian

AnneArthur wrote:

How does ORAC's button actually work? It doesn't seem to switch it off, so what does it do? Allow communication?


It simply enables communication with the organics. Orac is busy all the time as he lets them know frequently.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
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AnneArthur

Obsidian wrote:

dodgyville wrote:

Does Chris Boucher have the most audioplay/Big Finish spin offs? Terra Nostra, Star Cops, Kaldor City...


Kaldor City is the clear winner.


Sexy robots . . .
 
dodgyville
I love how dangerous Orac is in his first 4-6 episodes... it's unclear for so long whether it is good for them or not: People die acquiring it, it predicts their death, and now it's attacking Cally! I like Series D but Orac is completely wasted.
Edited by dodgyville on 11-04-2026 10:00
 
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AnneArthur

Obsidian wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

How does ORAC's button actually work? It doesn't seem to switch it off, so what does it do? Allow communication?


It simply enables communication with the organics. Orac is busy all the time as he lets them know frequently.


That's what I thought.
 
dodgyville

AnneArthur wrote:

dodgyville wrote:

Does Chris Boucher have the most audioplay/Big Finish spin offs? Terra Nostra, Star Cops, Kaldor City...


Is Star Cops set in this universe?


There's nothing imo that rules it in or out but they are vastly different time periods
 
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Obsidian

AnneArthur wrote:

dodgyville wrote:

Does Chris Boucher have the most audioplay/Big Finish spin offs? Terra Nostra, Star Cops, Kaldor City...


Is Star Cops set in this universe?


No, it's quite separate.
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M1795537OCVirn
And changing the subject...So the Aussies have finally entered their long cold. Or at least their darker times. It's yet another windy day here, but for some reason they're not calling it a 'storm' this time.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
Obsidian

dodgyville wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

dodgyville wrote:

Does Chris Boucher have the most audioplay/Big Finish spin offs? Terra Nostra, Star Cops, Kaldor City...


Is Star Cops set in this universe?


There's nothing imo that rules it in or out but they are vastly different time periods


Kaldor City, apart from marrying Dr Who and B7, brought together actors from those two plus Star Cops.
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Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

And changing the subject...So the Aussies have finally entered their long cold. Or at least their darker times. It's yet another windy day here, but for some reason they're not calling it a 'storm' this time.


I'm not looking forward to it. There was snow in the mountains two weeks ago and the leaves are definitely changing colour if not falling. Yuck cold winds. You don't need another big storm across the UK and Europe.
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M1795537OCVirn

AnneArthur wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

How does ORAC's button actually work? It doesn't seem to switch it off, so what does it do? Allow communication?


It simply enables communication with the organics. Orac is busy all the time as he lets them know frequently.


That's what I thought.


Then it doeasn't really explain why he/it gets offended when they threaten to destroy the key.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
AnneArthur

dodgyville wrote:

I love how dangerous Orac is in his first 4-6 episodes... it's unclear for so long whether it is good for them or not: People die acquiring it, it predicts their death, and now it's attacking Cally! I like Series D but Orac is completely wasted.


I think that by series D ORAC knows that the crew are useful to it. Things might change if it found someone else who could help it better.
 
Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

How does ORAC's button actually work? It doesn't seem to switch it off, so what does it do? Allow communication?


It simply enables communication with the organics. Orac is busy all the time as he lets them know frequently.


That's what I thought.


Then it doeasn't really explain why he/it gets offended when they threaten to destroy the key.


Because he needs the organics to keep him safe.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
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Obsidian

AnneArthur wrote:

dodgyville wrote:

I love how dangerous Orac is in his first 4-6 episodes... it's unclear for so long whether it is good for them or not: People die acquiring it, it predicts their death, and now it's attacking Cally! I like Series D but Orac is completely wasted.


I think that by series D ORAC knows that the crew are useful to it. Things might change if it found someone else who could help it better.


Oh yes. ORAC is completely self-motivated and serving.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
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dodgyville
These uniforms must be Star Wars inspired because Buck Rogers didn't premiere for another 10 months or so! They kind of work but I don't recall them coming back

framecaplib.com/b7lib/images/shadow/shado150.jpg
 
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Obsidian
Zen's little dome has bubble wrap in it this week rather than netting.
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M1795537OCVirn
Blake knows all about cacti? Ancient Earth fauna must have been one of his hobbies, when he wasn't killing people. So Blake knows everything...and nothing. Isn't that the definition of a fool?
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
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dodgyville wrote:

These uniforms must be Star Wars inspired because Buck Rogers didn't premiere for another 10 months or so! They kind of work but I don't recall them coming back

framecaplib.com/b7lib/images/shadow/shado150.jpg


They're simply wearing white because it's so hot there.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
AnneArthur

Obsidian wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

dodgyville wrote:

I love how dangerous Orac is in his first 4-6 episodes... it's unclear for so long whether it is good for them or not: People die acquiring it, it predicts their death, and now it's attacking Cally! I like Series D but Orac is completely wasted.


I think that by series D ORAC knows that the crew are useful to it. Things might change if it found someone else who could help it better.


Oh yes. ORAC is completely self-motivated and serving.


Imbued with Ensor's ideas of its importance.
 
AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

dodgyville wrote:

These uniforms must be Star Wars inspired because Buck Rogers didn't premiere for another 10 months or so! They kind of work but I don't recall them coming back

framecaplib.com/b7lib/images/shadow/shado150.jpg


They're simply wearing white because it's so hot there.


But they are attractive. I don't think they go to any other desert planets, do they? (And the desert planet might also be Star Wars inspired).
 
dodgyville
Jan Chappell does the most amazing run down the side of the quarry I've ever seen at about 38m mark. Quite a tall heel and flowy robes down a very uneven and steep embankment but as sure footage as a mountain goat! Amazing she survived really
 
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Obsidian

dodgyville wrote:

These uniforms must be Star Wars inspired because Buck Rogers didn't premiere for another 10 months or so! They kind of work but I don't recall them coming back

framecaplib.com/b7lib/images/shadow/shado150.jpg


June Hudson somewhere talks about being able to get her hands on yards of fabric for them. She often designed around what she could get for a bargain. The outfits seem more likely to be inspired by all the Kung Fu shows on TV at the time, or at least earlier in the 70s. They are appropriately 'desert-y' without being desert suits, which is far more like the original comic-strip Buck Rogers.
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dodgyville wrote:

Jan Chappell does the most amazing run down the side of the quarry I've ever seen at about 38m mark. Quite a tall heel and flowy robes down a very uneven and steep embankment but as sure footage as a mountain goat! Amazing she survived really


Grin
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Blake knows all about cacti? Ancient Earth fauna must have been one of his hobbies, when he wasn't killing people. So Blake knows everything...and nothing. Isn't that the definition of a fool?


They don't know that they fauna yet, more flora. Mescaline was a bit of a drug of choice amongst groovy people on the USA west coast a little earlier than this was made.
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dodgyville
This is a pretty epic episode really. Federation council politics, a floating Space City, a mafia, druggies, a desert planet, weird alien fungi, a rogue super computer, a trans-dimensional alien taking possession of the local telepath, a psychedelic battle of the minds, the Liberator out-of-control...

The production values are very high too (well...)
 
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M1795537OCVirn

Obsidian wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Blake knows all about cacti? Ancient Earth fauna must have been one of his hobbies, when he wasn't killing people. So Blake knows everything...and nothing. Isn't that the definition of a fool?


They don't know that they fauna yet, more flora. Mescaline was a bit of a drug of choice amongst groovy people on the USA west coast a little earlier than this was made.


Basically, he used the only thing most of the audience knew of that grew in deserts, then.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
Obsidian

dodgyville wrote:

Jan Chappell does the most amazing run down the side of the quarry I've ever seen at about 38m mark. Quite a tall heel and flowy robes down a very uneven and steep embankment but as sure footage as a mountain goat! Amazing she survived really


She's evidently good at it, as we see later in Star One, when she runs up the side of a quarry with no difficulty. Even at that young age I'd have been puffing badly.
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dodgyville
Wow, they made Chappell run UP the quarry wall too at about 45m. What a trooper, what balance!
 
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M1795537OCVirn
I wonder which ABBA Tyce is painting?
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Obsidian

dodgyville wrote:

This is a pretty epic episode really. Federation council politics, a floating Space City, a mafia, druggies, a desert planet, weird alien fungi, a rogue super computer, a trans-dimensional alien taking possession of the local telepath, a psychedelic battle of the minds, the Liberator out-of-control...

The production values are very high too (well...)


It is! Chris Boucher's academic mind taking flight. It always seem like a much longer episode because it's so stuffed full.
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dodgyville wrote:

Wow, they made Chappell run UP the quarry wall too at about 45m. What a trooper, what balance!


They all had plenty of practice charging about in quarries. Perhaps quarry-running could be a new sport.
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AnneArthur
Gan being unusually wise and empathetic here - I like this version of him. It's a pity the character is so inconsistent.
 
Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Blake knows all about cacti? Ancient Earth fauna must have been one of his hobbies, when he wasn't killing people. So Blake knows everything...and nothing. Isn't that the definition of a fool?


They don't know that they fauna yet, more flora. Mescaline was a bit of a drug of choice amongst groovy people on the USA west coast a little earlier than this was made.


Basically, he used the only thing most of the audience knew of that grew in deserts, then.


Some people. The groovy people. I don't know if anyone's tried snorting the plants that grow in the desert here, yet.
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Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

dodgyville wrote:

Wow, they made Chappell run UP the quarry wall too at about 45m. What a trooper, what balance!


They all had plenty of practice charging about in quarries. Perhaps quarry-running could be a new sport.


It could be what I need to help shed those extra kilos.
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