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Rewatch Downunder Saturday 20th June B12 The Keeper
Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

For me, the best thing Big Finish has produced is 'Three' by James Goss. (it's in Liberator Chronicles Vol 5). Well worth a listen. Brilliantly written and acted.


Yes. I'm with you there.
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Obsidian

Taiellin wrote:

Was this chicken real?


That's a good question.
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M1795537OCVirn

Obsidian wrote:

Taiellin wrote:

Was this chicken real?


That's a good question.


Profound, really..
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
AnneArthur
People say that this is like King Lear, but it takes the duel and the poisoned cup from Hamlet.
 
Obsidian

Taiellin wrote:

As for me, I really liked stories with Gustav Nyrron and Del Grant.


I like those too. I like David Warner as Vila's dad. Del Grant is in there too. Something quite satisfying about it.
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M1795537OCVirn

AnneArthur wrote:

People say that this is like King Lear, but it takes the duel and the poisoned cup from Hamlet.


i don't see three daughters anywhere in Gola's tents.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

Taiellin wrote:

Was this chicken real?


That's a good question.


Profound, really..


But the sweeping of the food from the table is pure cliche.
 
AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

People say that this is like King Lear, but it takes the duel and the poisoned cup from Hamlet.


i don't see three daughters anywhere in Gola's tents.


No, it's one daughter and two sons, and the old man and his fool. But Travis, although he has lost an eye, is hardly Gloucester.
Edited by AnneArthur on 20-06-2026 10:40
 
Taiellin

Obsidian wrote:

Taiellin wrote:

As for me, I really liked stories with Gustav Nyrron and Del Grant.


I like those too. I like David Warner as Vila's dad. Del Grant is in there too. Something quite satisfying about it.


There was something interesting in their relationships. Though Vila seemed to be colder.
 
Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

People say that this is like King Lear, but it takes the duel and the poisoned cup from Hamlet.


i don't see three daughters anywhere in Gola's tents.


Only one needed in this case. People perhaps see three siblings and think, "What other drama with crowns and tights features three siblings?" Apart from that, not like King Lear at all, but it is somewhat Jacobean. Maybe Allan Prior cherry-picked Shakespeare. Not a bad place to start.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
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Tyce

AnneArthur wrote:

People say that this is like King Lear, but it takes the duel and the poisoned cup from Hamlet.

:-)
 
Joe Dredd
I'm not a fan of The Keeper so I sat this one out.

Also I was doing a quick test with the Totter's Yard Avon figure: Click!

Edit: Wow, Youtube has really degraded the quality of the video. Very unfortunate as, although the AI loses accuracy in the second half, the likeness to Paul Darrow is maintained perfectly when the figure kneels down.
 
Tyce

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

People say that this is like King Lear, but it takes the duel and the poisoned cup from Hamlet.


i don't see three daughters anywhere in Gola's tents.

Maybe there was an earlier pair bonding that we don’t hear about and that wife was lucky enough to get the hell out of there with the three kids. LOL
Edited by Tyce on 20-06-2026 10:43
 
M1795537OCVirn
As I see it, most of the BF issues are pot-boilers to keep up the interest, so they end up being all-action shoot-em-ups written to a formula by boys. But just occasionally, there's a gem, written by someone who knows B7 for what it is.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
Obsidian

Taiellin wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

Taiellin wrote:

As for me, I really liked stories with Gustav Nyrron and Del Grant.


I like those too. I like David Warner as Vila's dad. Del Grant is in there too. Something quite satisfying about it.


There was something interesting in their relationships. Though Vila seemed to be colder.


He is, especially leaving dear old dad to suffer the consequences, which does cause the eyebrows to lift. But I can see Vila – a part of Vila we don't know much about, after all – being that set against his father for what happened to his mother. I can make it fit because people can carry very deep grudges without them being obvious.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
https://www.seraglio-design.com/
M1795537OCVirn

Joe Dredd wrote:

I'm not a fan of The Keeper so I sat this one out.

Also I was doing a quick test with the Totter's Yard Avon figure: Click!

Edit: Wow, Youtube has really degraded the quality of the video. Very unfortunate as, although the AI loses accuracy in the second half, the likeness to Paul Darrow is maintained perfectly when the figure kneels down.


Are you sure all the figures do that?
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

As I see it, most of the BF issues are pot-boilers to keep up the interest, so they end up being all-action shoot-em-ups written to a formula by boys. But just occasionally, there's a gem, written by someone who knows B7 for what it is.


That's how I see most of them and am pleasantly surprised when there is a more thoughtful, intelligent story. By boys who were two when the show first appeared and still think they are running around playing bang-bangs in the schoolyard.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
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Taiellin

Obsidian wrote:

Taiellin wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

Taiellin wrote:

As for me, I really liked stories with Gustav Nyrron and Del Grant.


I like those too. I like David Warner as Vila's dad. Del Grant is in there too. Something quite satisfying about it.


There was something interesting in their relationships. Though Vila seemed to be colder.


He is, especially leaving dear old dad to suffer the consequences, which does cause the eyebrows to lift. But I can see Vila – a part of Vila we don't know much about, after all – being that set against his father for what happened to his mother. I can make it fit because people can carry very deep grudges without them being obvious.


Yes, I perfectly understand Vila's feelings. I was just surprised.
 
AnneArthur

Joe Dredd wrote:

I'm not a fan of The Keeper so I sat this one out.

Also I was doing a quick test with the Totter's Yard Avon figure: Click!

Edit: Wow, Youtube has really degraded the quality of the video. Very unfortunate as, although the AI loses accuracy in the second half, the likeness to Paul Darrow is maintained perfectly when the figure kneels down.


He's nice, but I'm glad you told me he was Avon as I wouldn't have known (but then it's hard to imagine the real Avon dancing like that. Grin)

You are obviously representative of the majority in not liking this episode. Interesting - for me it's not an absolute favourite, but comfortably in the top half of the series.
 
Tyce

Joe Dredd wrote:

I'm not a fan of The Keeper so I sat this one out.

Also I was doing a quick test with the Totter's Yard Avon figure: Click!

Edit: Wow, Youtube has really degraded the quality of the video. Very unfortunate as, although the AI loses accuracy in the second half, the likeness to Paul Darrow is maintained perfectly when the figure kneels down.

Hi JD, OMGosh. You are one of the people Sally, Brian and Toby were talking about.
Edited by Tyce on 20-06-2026 10:47
 
Joe Dredd

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Are you sure all the figures do that?


The figure is Avon in a static pose. It has no moving parts. I used an app called Nauk Nauk to see how well it could retain the likeness. It mostly works, though you can't really see how well given Youtube has turned the video quality to mush. Perhaps there's a setting somewhere...
 
Joe Dredd

Tyce wrote:

Hi JD, OMGosh. You are one of the people Sally, Brian and Toby were talking about.


What were they saying?
 
Obsidian

Joe Dredd wrote:

I'm not a fan of The Keeper so I sat this one out.

Also I was doing a quick test with the Totter's Yard Avon figure: Click!

Edit: Wow, Youtube has really degraded the quality of the video. Very unfortunate as, although the AI loses accuracy in the second half, the likeness to Paul Darrow is maintained perfectly when the figure kneels down.


I spent many years of my life painting coats of arms for money using Humbrol paint. I've noted the figures but the thought of sitting there painting them makes me AngryAngryAngry
 
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AnneArthur
Why do you dislike this episode so much that you want to avoid it, if I may ask, Joe?
 
Obsidian

Taiellin wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

Taiellin wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

Taiellin wrote:

As for me, I really liked stories with Gustav Nyrron and Del Grant.


I like those too. I like David Warner as Vila's dad. Del Grant is in there too. Something quite satisfying about it.


There was something interesting in their relationships. Though Vila seemed to be colder.


He is, especially leaving dear old dad to suffer the consequences, which does cause the eyebrows to lift. But I can see Vila – a part of Vila we don't know much about, after all – being that set against his father for what happened to his mother. I can make it fit because people can carry very deep grudges without them being obvious.


Yes, I perfectly understand Vila's feelings. I was just surprised.


It is a surprise that he's so callous, but...
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
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AnneArthur

Joe Dredd wrote:

Tyce wrote:

Hi JD, OMGosh. You are one of the people Sally, Brian and Toby were talking about.


What were they saying?


It's apparently the second least liked episode (after Animals).
 
Tyce

Obsidian wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

People say that this is like King Lear, but it takes the duel and the poisoned cup from Hamlet.


i don't see three daughters anywhere in Gola's tents.


Only one needed in this case. People perhaps see three siblings and think, "What other drama with crowns and tights features three siblings?" Apart from that, not like King Lear at all, but it is somewhat Jacobean. Maybe Allan Prior cherry-picked Shakespeare. Not a bad place to start.

Although the Jacobite’s were more the other way around. The dad (James II) fighting his daughters rather than his children fighting him.
 
intergalactic

Joe Dredd wrote:

I'm not a fan of The Keeper so I sat this one out.

Also I was doing a quick test with the Totter's Yard Avon figure: Click!

Edit: Wow, Youtube has really degraded the quality of the video. Very unfortunate as, although the AI loses accuracy in the second half, the likeness to Paul Darrow is maintained perfectly when the figure kneels down.


You may choose 1080p from settings.
 
Joe Dredd

AnneArthur wrote:

I'm glad you told me he was Avon as I wouldn't have known (but then it's hard to imagine the real Avon dancing like that. :D)


I'm very impressed by the figurine made by Totter's Yard Customs. It is a very detailed figure, though small. From most angles the face is Paul Darrow to a tee. It really is amazing.


AnneArthur wrote:

You are obviously representative of the majority in not liking this episode. Interesting - for me it's not an absolute favourite, but comfortably in the top half of the series.


I'm generally not a fan of SF stories involving medievel societies, and there's something about this one that grates. Having one of the characters called Rod also seems out of place (as does having a Don in 'Sand').
 
Obsidian

Tyce wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

People say that this is like King Lear, but it takes the duel and the poisoned cup from Hamlet.


i don't see three daughters anywhere in Gola's tents.


Only one needed in this case. People perhaps see three siblings and think, "What other drama with crowns and tights features three siblings?" Apart from that, not like King Lear at all, but it is somewhat Jacobean. Maybe Allan Prior cherry-picked Shakespeare. Not a bad place to start.

Although the Jacobite’s were more the other way around. The dad (James II) fighting his daughters rather than his children fighting him.


I was referring to Jacobean plays, which are often dark in tone. By Shakespeare, but also Marlowe, Webster et al.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
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Taiellin

AnneArthur wrote:

Joe Dredd wrote:

Tyce wrote:

Hi JD, OMGosh. You are one of the people Sally, Brian and Toby were talking about.


What were they saying?


It's apparently the second least liked episode (after Animals).


Well, I think that this episode is fine. I also like Animals.
My least favourite episode is definitely Voice from the Past.
 
Tyce

Joe Dredd wrote:

Tyce wrote:

Hi JD, OMGosh. You are one of the people Sally, Brian and Toby were talking about.


What were they saying?

In the commentary for this episode on Blu-ray Sally, Brian and Toby Hadoke say that this is the second most disliked episode by Blake’s Seven fans. I was very shocked because I really love it.
Edited by Tyce on 20-06-2026 10:56
 
Obsidian

Joe Dredd wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

I'm glad you told me he was Avon as I wouldn't have known (but then it's hard to imagine the real Avon dancing like that. Grin)


I'm very impressed by the figurine made by Totter's Yard Customs. It is a very detailed figure, though small. From most angles the face is Paul Darrow to a tee. It really is amazing.


AnneArthur wrote:

You are obviously representative of the majority in not liking this episode. Interesting - for me it's not an absolute favourite, but comfortably in the top half of the series.


I'm generally not a fan of SF stories involving medievel societies, and there's something about this one that grates. Having one of the characters called Rod also seems out of place (as does having a Don in 'Sand'Wink.


Like all the mush on Netflix for the last decade. Absolute schlock, all of it.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
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intergalactic
Taiellin, see you are a translator, do you know any audio translated in Russian ver. of B7?
 
Joe Dredd

intergalactic wrote:

You may choose 1080p from settings.


Thanks intergalactic. I'll look out for it.
 
Obsidian

Taiellin wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Joe Dredd wrote:

Tyce wrote:

Hi JD, OMGosh. You are one of the people Sally, Brian and Toby were talking about.


What were they saying?


It's apparently the second least liked episode (after Animals).


Well, I think that this episode is fine. I also like Animals.
My least favourite episode is definitely Voice from the Past.


I'd probably swap them – just. This episode is fine. Plus, I get enjoyment from spotting all the ethnographic items they've managed to stuff into the scenery.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
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Joe Dredd

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

As I see it, most of the BF issues are pot-boilers to keep up the interest, so they end up being all-action shoot-em-ups written to a formula by boys.


And, unfortunately, boys who wish they were writing Star Trek instead.
 
Obsidian

Joe Dredd wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Are you sure all the figures do that?


The figure is Avon in a static pose. It has no moving parts. I used an app called Nauk Nauk to see how well it could retain the likeness. It mostly works, though you can't really see how well given Youtube has turned the video quality to mush. Perhaps there's a setting somewhere...


What do the kids think?
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
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Taiellin

intergalactic wrote:

Taiellin, see you are a translator, do you know any audio translated in Russian ver. of B7?


Unfortunately. B7 is not really popular in our country. We have only subtitles for tv series, a bunch of videos made by the fans and a few stories made by Russian authors. The first season was dubbed, but it was hard to find.
 
Obsidian

Joe Dredd wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

As I see it, most of the BF issues are pot-boilers to keep up the interest, so they end up being all-action shoot-em-ups written to a formula by boys.


And, unfortunately, boys who wish they were writing Star Trek instead.


And should have been writing Star Trek instead. Star Blech, as Mad Magazine called it back in the 60s. I agreed even then, as a kid.
Don't philosophise at me you electronic moron.
 
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