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Rewatch Downunder: C7 Children of Auron - Saturday 13th August
Travisina

AnneArthur wrote:

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Avon is right, but he is being very unattractively cold-blooded in this episode. A little sympathy for Cally would not go amiss, I feel.

Revenge for her earlier 'fondness for him' comment?


Both feel like part of an ongoing quarrel that we are only seeing part of.

Did it start in 'The Keeper'? They had quite a marital over blasting Travis' ship.
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Obsidian

AnneArthur wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Fascinating - the episode is about a plague and most of what we're talking about are our own illnesses.


Ok then, for a change let me say that I'm enjoying Avon's and Cally's 'V' outfits.

And I do so love Gingka.


Gingka is fascinating. One of the very few ethnic minority officers we see in the Federation, and he is complaining about being passed over. I have a theory that the pre-Federation regime practiced ethnic cleansing (explaining the number of planets with black leaders in Warlord - they were all banished from Earth). Since the Federation took over, a few have come back (Hal Mellanby, for example), but the Federation is still very white, and anyone else stands out a mile.


That's an interesting theory. Somewhere back there, not sure if S1 or 2, there is at least one black officer wandering around Space Command.

But Gingka would be passed over anyway because he is such a little s**t. Smile
Edited by Obsidian on 13-08-2022 10:11
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AnneArthur

Obsidian wrote:

Going back to the 'illnesses' discussion, I was watching this in bed the other day when I was feeling miserable and I found the masks rather interesting. They seem to be layers of gauze with a rubber thing from the top of a floor mop stuck on the front.


They look more uncomfortable than our ones!
 
M1795537OCVirn

Obsidian wrote:

Going back to the 'illnesses' discussion, I was watching this in bed the other day when I was feeling miserable and I found the masks rather interesting. They seem to be layers of gauze with a rubber thing from the top of a floor mop stuck on the front.


When I first tried to wear a mask I completely freaked out - in public. Embarrasing isn't the word. I just about managed one of those useless face shields, like Franton's. Mostly I've just stayed home!
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AnneArthur

Obsidian wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Fascinating - the episode is about a plague and most of what we're talking about are our own illnesses.


Ok then, for a change let me say that I'm enjoying Avon's and Cally's 'V' outfits.

And I do so love Gingka.


Gingka is fascinating. One of the very few ethnic minority officers we see in the Federation, and he is complaining about being passed over. I have a theory that the pre-Federation regime practiced ethnic cleansing (explaining the number of planets with black leaders in Warlord - they were all banished from Earth). Since the Federation took over, a few have come back (Hal Mellanby, for example), but the Federation is still very white, and anyone else stands out a mile.


That's an interesting theory. Somewhere back there, not sure if S1 or 2, there is at least one black officer wandering around Space Command.


It allows for a few - like Mellanby. But not many.
 
AnneArthur

Obsidian wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Fascinating - the episode is about a plague and most of what we're talking about are our own illnesses.


Ok then, for a change let me say that I'm enjoying Avon's and Cally's 'V' outfits.

And I do so love Gingka.


Gingka is fascinating. One of the very few ethnic minority officers we see in the Federation, and he is complaining about being passed over. I have a theory that the pre-Federation regime practiced ethnic cleansing (explaining the number of planets with black leaders in Warlord - they were all banished from Earth). Since the Federation took over, a few have come back (Hal Mellanby, for example), but the Federation is still very white, and anyone else stands out a mile.


That's an interesting theory. Somewhere back there, not sure if S1 or 2, there is at least one black officer wandering around Space Command.

But Gingka would be passed over anyway because he is such a little s**t. Smile


Well quite!
 
Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

Going back to the 'illnesses' discussion, I was watching this in bed the other day when I was feeling miserable and I found the masks rather interesting. They seem to be layers of gauze with a rubber thing from the top of a floor mop stuck on the front.


When I first tried to wear a mask I completely freaked out - in public. Embarrasing isn't the word. I just about managed one of those useless face shields, like Franton's. Mostly I've just stayed home!


Working from home helps. I just hate the fact that they've given me shocking dermatitis. Apparently it's quite common and a growing problem. Far more embarrassing going out with a face covered in red rash.
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Travisina

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

Going back to the 'illnesses' discussion, I was watching this in bed the other day when I was feeling miserable and I found the masks rather interesting. They seem to be layers of gauze with a rubber thing from the top of a floor mop stuck on the front.


When I first tried to wear a mask I completely freaked out - in public. Embarrasing isn't the word. I just about managed one of those useless face shields, like Franton's. Mostly I've just stayed home!

Oh dear, sorry to hear that. I'm fine with masks. Before these were widely available (or indeed, available at all), I used to improvise with scarves etc. I prefer cloth ones, because the paper ones are so wasteful and bad for the environment. As for their efficiency - ah, who knows.
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M1795537OCVirn
The racial thing is probably unintentional (although an interesting sideline worth exploring further) and merely reflects the UK population/pool of available actors in the 70's.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
Obsidian
The Federation blows up that university building some time before it gets bulldozed for real.
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AnneArthur

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Avon is right, but he is being very unattractively cold-blooded in this episode. A little sympathy for Cally would not go amiss, I feel.

Revenge for her earlier 'fondness for him' comment?


Both feel like part of an ongoing quarrel that we are only seeing part of.

Did it start in 'The Keeper'? They had quite a marital over blasting Travis' ship.


Perhaps after 'Countdown'? Cally might have had hopes of a relationship, that were dashed by his obviously still having a thing for Anna. That might be behind her anger at his revenge project here.
 
Travisina

Obsidian wrote:

The Federation blows up that university building some time before it gets bulldozed for real.

At least we had a location visit years ago, while it was still intact! In fact, it was still Leeds Polytechnic at the time, before it was renamed 'University of...'
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AnneArthur

Obsidian wrote:

The Federation blows up that university building some time before it gets bulldozed for real.


I was just about to say that if this is the UEA, I never saw that building when I was there. But that explains it.

But where is the place they are all climbing over - that looks more like a hydroelectric plant or something?
 
AnneArthur

Travisina wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

The Federation blows up that university building some time before it gets bulldozed for real.

At least we had a location visit years ago, while it was still intact! In fact, it was still Leeds Polytechnic at the time, before it was renamed 'University of...'


Ah, not UEA? Leeds Beckett?
 
M1795537OCVirn
Not looking forward to the end of this ep - the WORST 'humorous' last line of all.
"You're not sulking, I hope?"
 
Travisina

AnneArthur wrote:

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Avon is right, but he is being very unattractively cold-blooded in this episode. A little sympathy for Cally would not go amiss, I feel.

Revenge for her earlier 'fondness for him' comment?


Both feel like part of an ongoing quarrel that we are only seeing part of.

Did it start in 'The Keeper'? They had quite a marital over blasting Travis' ship.


Perhaps after 'Countdown'? Cally might have had hopes of a relationship, that were dashed by his obviously still having a thing for Anna. That might be behind her anger at his revenge project here.

This may be the first time she's heard of Anna, though. I don't think Avon told anybody about his conversation with Del Grant - certainly not Blake, and very doubtful if he'd have shared with anyone else.
There is no point being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes
 
Obsidian

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

The racial thing is probably unintentional (although an interesting sideline worth exploring further) and merely reflects the UK population/pool of available actors in the 70's.


Absolutely. Plenty of 'differently-coloured' actors had appeared on the TV and in film in the UK before the late '70s. Maybe it was the casting director's choice. Ric Young had already appeared in several things.
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Travisina

AnneArthur wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

The Federation blows up that university building some time before it gets bulldozed for real.


I was just about to say that if this is the UEA, I never saw that building when I was there. But that explains it.

But where is the place they are all climbing over - that looks more like a hydroelectric plant or something?

Yes, that's a different location in Yorkshire, by a reservoir. Can't remember what it's called.
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AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

The racial thing is probably unintentional (although an interesting sideline worth exploring further) and merely reflects the UK population/pool of available actors in the 70's.


Oh yes, this was very much a headcanon explanation of something that is easily explained in real life by casting practices - and the increasing employment of ethnic minority actors over the period covered by the series.
 
Obsidian

AnneArthur wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

The Federation blows up that university building some time before it gets bulldozed for real.


I was just about to say that if this is the UEA, I never saw that building when I was there. But that explains it.

But where is the place they are all climbing over - that looks more like a hydroelectric plant or something?


Yes, a dam. Don't remember which one. Travisina?
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M1795537OCVirn

AnneArthur wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

The Federation blows up that university building some time before it gets bulldozed for real.


I was just about to say that if this is the UEA, I never saw that building when I was there. But that explains it.

But where is the place they are all climbing over - that looks more like a hydroelectric plant or something?


Thrusscross Reservoir
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Obsidian
Poor old Deral. He doesn't deserve it.
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AnneArthur

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Avon is right, but he is being very unattractively cold-blooded in this episode. A little sympathy for Cally would not go amiss, I feel.

Revenge for her earlier 'fondness for him' comment?


Both feel like part of an ongoing quarrel that we are only seeing part of.

Did it start in 'The Keeper'? They had quite a marital over blasting Travis' ship.


Perhaps after 'Countdown'? Cally might have had hopes of a relationship, that were dashed by his obviously still having a thing for Anna. That might be behind her anger at his revenge project here.

This may be the first time she's heard of Anna, though. I don't think Avon told anybody about his conversation with Del Grant - certainly not Blake, and very doubtful if he'd have shared with anyone else.


He did tell Blake - at the end of the episode Blake asks about it, and Avon snubs him. It is the sort of thing I could imagine getting about.
 
Travisina
Planet Khaaaaaaaaaaan!
There is no point being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes
 
AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

The Federation blows up that university building some time before it gets bulldozed for real.


I was just about to say that if this is the UEA, I never saw that building when I was there. But that explains it.

But where is the place they are all climbing over - that looks more like a hydroelectric plant or something?


Thrusscross Reservoir


What a wonderfully Wuthering Heights name.
 
Obsidian
Yes, it's a fairly tasteless joke, but that's a the nature of gallow's humour.
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Travisina

AnneArthur wrote:

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Avon is right, but he is being very unattractively cold-blooded in this episode. A little sympathy for Cally would not go amiss, I feel.

Revenge for her earlier 'fondness for him' comment?


Both feel like part of an ongoing quarrel that we are only seeing part of.

Did it start in 'The Keeper'? They had quite a marital over blasting Travis' ship.


Perhaps after 'Countdown'? Cally might have had hopes of a relationship, that were dashed by his obviously still having a thing for Anna. That might be behind her anger at his revenge project here.

This may be the first time she's heard of Anna, though. I don't think Avon told anybody about his conversation with Del Grant - certainly not Blake, and very doubtful if he'd have shared with anyone else.


He did tell Blake - at the end of the episode Blake asks about it, and Avon snubs him. It is the sort of thing I could imagine getting about.

Yeah, what I meant was that he snubbed Blake and didn't 'tell him about Anna'. But I suppose Avon having feelings would seem quite novel and interesting to the rest of the crew.
There is no point being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes
 
AnneArthur
Grin

Travisina wrote:

Planet Khaaaaaaaaaaan!
 
Travisina

AnneArthur wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

The Federation blows up that university building some time before it gets bulldozed for real.


I was just about to say that if this is the UEA, I never saw that building when I was there. But that explains it.

But where is the place they are all climbing over - that looks more like a hydroelectric plant or something?


Thrusscross Reservoir


What a wonderfully Wuthering Heights name.

Thanks, MsVirn, I couldn't remember. And yes - a very Bronte-esque name!
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AnneArthur

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Travisina wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Avon is right, but he is being very unattractively cold-blooded in this episode. A little sympathy for Cally would not go amiss, I feel.

Revenge for her earlier 'fondness for him' comment?


Both feel like part of an ongoing quarrel that we are only seeing part of.

Did it start in 'The Keeper'? They had quite a marital over blasting Travis' ship.


Perhaps after 'Countdown'? Cally might have had hopes of a relationship, that were dashed by his obviously still having a thing for Anna. That might be behind her anger at his revenge project here.

This may be the first time she's heard of Anna, though. I don't think Avon told anybody about his conversation with Del Grant - certainly not Blake, and very doubtful if he'd have shared with anyone else.


He did tell Blake - at the end of the episode Blake asks about it, and Avon snubs him. It is the sort of thing I could imagine getting about.

Yeah, what I meant was that he snubbed Blake and didn't 'tell him about Anna'. But I suppose Avon having feelings would seem quite novel and interesting to the rest of the crew.


I think it would.
 
Travisina

Obsidian wrote:

Yes, it's a fairly tasteless joke, but that's a the nature of gallow's humour.

But the usual reaction to tasteless jokes would be a groan, or 'tut-tut, that wasn't nice, was it?' rather than full blown hilarity?
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Obsidian
Can't remember the name of the fanfic I mentioned earlier. I know Patar is the only one left of the original group. Must see if I can find it. It's definitely a PGP.

I'm busy wrangling fanzines at the moment having nowhere really to put the huge pile presently acting as a door stop. Might be able to find the story based on what last managed to squeeze into the cupboard.
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Travisina
Not my favourite ep by any means, but it was great watching it in company!
Hope to be over my own plague by next week. Take care and stay safe, everyone - and get well soon to all those who are poorly!
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M1795537OCVirn
Oh, well. Back to real life. At least I can feel virtuous about the redecorating I started yesterday - I'm off to see if the paint has dried on the radiator.
WARNING: KITTENS ARE NO HELP WITH EITHER PAINT OR HONEY.

Lovely to have you back, Obsidian. Missed you!. Hope everyone has a great week and comes back ready for the emotional trauma that is 'Rumours'. Cheers.
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AnneArthur
The next generation of Auronar is part of the vast and baggy PGP that I have been writing for years now. I live in hopes of one day finishing it - and cutting it down to a readable length - but real life keeps getting in the way, alas.
 
Obsidian

Travisina wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

Yes, it's a fairly tasteless joke, but that's a the nature of gallow's humour.

But the usual reaction to tasteless jokes would be a groan, or 'tut-tut, that wasn't nice, was it?' rather than full blown hilarity?


All the singletons are having a laugh at the idea of dealing with so many children. Hilarity, rather than creeping around trying not to offend anyone, especially not Cally, I imagine would be the natural response, quite simply as a point of relief. If Cally were there, I don't think they would have done it
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AnneArthur
Not one of my favourite episodes either, but more fun watched in company. Thanks for the rewatch, everyone, and see you next week!
 
Obsidian

Travisina wrote:

Not my favourite ep by any means, but it was great watching it in company!
Hope to be over my own plague by next week. Take care and stay safe, everyone - and get well soon to all those who are poorly!


It's not my favourite ep. either, but I find Gingka refreshing because he's so well-played.

You take care Travisina. Let everyone else do some running around for a change. Hugs xx
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AnneArthur

Obsidian wrote:

Travisina wrote:

Obsidian wrote:

Yes, it's a fairly tasteless joke, but that's a the nature of gallow's humour.

But the usual reaction to tasteless jokes would be a groan, or 'tut-tut, that wasn't nice, was it?' rather than full blown hilarity?


All the singletons are having a laugh at the idea of dealing with so many children. Hilarity, rather than creeping around trying not to offend anyone, especially not Cally, I imagine would be the natural response, quite simply as a point of relief. If Cally were there, I don't think they would have done it


I agree - and perhaps an element of letting off steam while she isn't there and they don't have to be careful.
 
AnneArthur
Hope everyone is feeling better by next week!
 
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