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B7 or Star Trek?
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Cygnus Bazza |
Posted on 22-07-2023 12:15
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The non-B7 rewatchers are indulging in a bit of selective Trek at the moment. So, in your eyes and for whatever reasons, which is 'better'*: Blake's 7 or the original Star Trek? Or is that just a daft question? * In other words, which do you prefer? Let's not give houseroom to all that "well, viewing it objectively..." claptrap! Cygnus of the skies, the prize and I will rise to win it
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NerdyTeenGirl |
Posted on 22-07-2023 12:21
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I personally enjoy Blake’s 7 more because (a) I love the totalitarian government theme in fiction and (![]() Don’t be sorry. Be quiet.
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M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 22-07-2023 14:04
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I prefer B7 because Servalan's in it.
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Brad |
Posted on 22-07-2023 14:53
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For some reason we love to bash on ST TOS these days. Yes, judged by 21st century standards, it's a bit daft. But taken in the context of the late 60's, before we had even been to the moon, it was edgy. It dealt with contemporary social issues no other series of the time had the courage to touch. So many later series owe a debt to ST TOS, even Blake's 7, Babylon 5, and Farscape. The bottom line, if ST TOS had crashed and burned, we may never have had Blake's 7, and television Sci Fi would still be children's shows like Land Of The Giants. That said: Blake's 7 is a mirror image of Star Trek TOS ST TOS: All problems are solvable. If we all work together for the common good we can build a Utopia. B7: Mankind isn't ready to work together for the common good, and everyone will die. . . ![]() Cockatoo? What Cockatoo? I don't see a Cockatoo! |
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OneSparePart |
Posted on 22-07-2023 18:05
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I like what you said, Brad and agree. I have always loved ST TOS but had not watched it for a while because all of the bashing you mentioned which got into my head. I just started rewatching it (before OUR rewatch) and rediscovered my love for the show. Both shows have excellent stories, excellent acting, they make you feel something, they make you think. They also both have dud episodes which shouldn't be used to judge the shows. They ARE the yin and yang (ooh star trek pun) of tv SF. That's why I love them both. Don't make me choose between them cygnus bazza! We can have our space cake and eat it! Silflay hraka, u embleer rah!
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Paula |
Posted on 22-07-2023 19:06
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Being of an age where I watched Star Trek in real time, it was an amazing thing for the time frame. I loved it. But pitting one against the other, it's hard to say, although once seeing Blake's 7 in 1985, there was no going back. B7 is grittier, darker and so engrossing, if it wasn't I would not be here still taking about it all these years later. I will have to say it's an unanswerable question as it's like comparing apples to orangutans! Impossible. I vote 'daft question'.
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Cygnus Bazza |
Posted on 23-07-2023 08:21
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I've got a massive soft spot for original Trek and am surprised to learn that it gets so much stick. It has that aspirational/inspirational edge which, allied to its pioneering qualities, makes it hard to beat. Plus it all feels pretty coherent/joined-up (a characteristic which B7, for all its merits, often lacks). It also offers at least half a dozen genuinely top-grade iconic characters, which sets it apart from most other series of any genre. In terms of individual episodes, there are some big clunkers but its classic:clunker ratio is quite good, to my eyes, and definitely better than B7's. Having said all that, B7 obviously comes at things from a diametrically opposite angle and, from that foundation, has rightly staked out a hallowed spot in the sci-fi firmament - not least because what it does well it does very well indeed.
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M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 23-07-2023 11:18
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Where do things like Babylon 5 and Battlestar, Moonbase etc rate in the pantheon of SF soaps?
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NerdyTeenGirl |
Posted on 23-07-2023 12:54
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Babylon 5 is my second-favorite science fiction show. It was one of my obsessions in high school.
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Lorna |
Posted on 23-07-2023 18:03
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I used to belong to a Bristol ST fan club. And we ran Conventions which got some good stars; Walter Koenig for one. We usually wrote a little skit and they would act a part in them. So that was fun. One year we booked Paul Darrow and he brought Jaqueline Pearce, which was a bonus. So I loved both ST and B7 and all the friends I made in both clubs.
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Lorna |
Posted on 23-07-2023 19:04
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I wonder why TT hasn't commented on this thread? He doesn't rate ST. In fact he has a thread in Duel "Original Star Trek was a bit rubbish, wasnt it?" So where are you TT? I look behind me, what do I see? A pair of golden wings seem to be attached to me.
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OneSparePart |
Posted on 23-07-2023 20:30
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I wonder why TT hasn't commented on this thread? He doesn't rate ST. In fact he has a thread in Duel "Original Star Trek was a bit rubbish, wasnt it?" So where are you TT? Don't remind him, Lorna! TT and Cygnus Bazza will be duelling at dawn! Silflay hraka, u embleer rah!
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Lorna |
Posted on 24-07-2023 05:13
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![]() ![]() I look behind me, what do I see? A pair of golden wings seem to be attached to me.
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M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 24-07-2023 11:00
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I wonder why TT hasn't commented on this thread? He doesn't rate ST. In fact he has a thread in Duel "Original Star Trek was a bit rubbish, wasnt it?" So where are you TT? Don't remind him, Lorna! TT and Cygnus Bazza will be duelling at dawn! You know them so well! "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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Cygnus Bazza |
Posted on 24-07-2023 11:56
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My three-word riposte* to the 'Original Trek' naysayers is: The Tholian Web. Joking apart, I'm very much in the 'each to their own' camp. It's just a bit of telly. Full disclosure: only ever seen two episodes of 'The Next Generation', three and a half of 'Voyager', and none at all of the other Trek incarnations. Love the 'proper' six films, naturally. The first ten minutes of the first one, at the cinema back in the day, blew my mind.** Proper sci-fi, that - not that comic book Star Wars stuff. * A two-word riposte is also available. But not on a PG-13 site. Edit: ** I mean, how good's this, ladies and gentlemen? And that music! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbG3N...&t=11s Edited by Cygnus Bazza on 24-07-2023 14:33 Cygnus of the skies, the prize and I will rise to win it
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trevor travis |
Posted on 25-07-2023 10:20
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For some reason we love to bash on ST TOS these days. Yes, judged by 21st century standards, it's a bit daft. But taken in the context of the late 60's, before we had even been to the moon, it was edgy. It dealt with contemporary social issues no other series of the time had the courage to touch. So many later series owe a debt to ST TOS, even Blake's 7, Babylon 5, and Farscape. The bottom line, if ST TOS had crashed and burned, we may never have had Blake's 7, and television Sci Fi would still be children's shows like Land Of The Giants. That said: Blake's 7 is a mirror image of Star Trek TOS ST TOS: All problems are solvable. If we all work together for the common good we can build a Utopia. B7: Mankind isn't ready to work together for the common good, and everyone will die. We owe original Trek nothing, since Doctor Who - an altogether superior show - had already begun ![]() Original Trek works to an old tired formula that B7 never did. B7 takes risks and doesn't have a magic reset button. B7 makes you laugh, cry, happy, sad, think, feel. Most of original Trek is dull and like watching paint dry. Maybe it's time to get the "Original Trek was a bit rubbish" thread going again ![]() ![]() Edited by trevor travis on 25-07-2023 14:24 Vote Og.
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trevor travis |
Posted on 25-07-2023 10:20
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I wonder why TT hasn't commented on this thread? He doesn't rate ST. In fact he has a thread in Duel "Original Star Trek was a bit rubbish, wasnt it?" So where are you TT? Don't remind him, Lorna! TT and Cygnus Bazza will be duelling at dawn! ![]() ![]() ![]() Vote Og.
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CADbob |
Posted on 19-06-2025 19:55
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While I enjoy the original Star Trek, I'd still pick Blakes 7 over it any day. For me Star Trek is really starting to show its age and the episodes have been repeated endlessly that I rarely watch it anymore. Up until recently I was enjoying Blakes 7 on Britbox and Plex and I've really been getting more and more into the series.
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Joe Dredd |
Posted on 21-06-2025 10:49
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ST has never really appealed to me. I don't know why, chemicals in the brain reacting at certain temperatures, I suppose. B7 is it's own thing, which I am very much glad of, and feel frustrated when Big Finish keeping morphing B7 into ST. E.g. the recent Tarrant audio where he's giving orders - "Belay that!", etc, which is very much the "Horatio Hornblower in space" we see in ST. It doesn't help immerse me in the story and it doesn't make it feel like B7. It also makes me feel like the writers like (or know) ST better than B7, as that's either their idea of how a SF story should be, or how they want it to be. |
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Cygnus Bazza |
Posted on 21-06-2025 20:58
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Neat to revisit this thread - thanks, CADbob, for dredging it up! If I had to distil everything down to a couple of ludicrously loaded oversimplifications, I'd be tempted to say B7 is more interesting, while Original ST is more exciting. On a mild tangent, 'Star Trek Generations' is one of the worst films I've ever seen. Sub-Crud. I just wanted you to know. Cygnus of the skies, the prize and I will rise to win it
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trevor travis |
Posted on 22-06-2025 13:11
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Neat to revisit this thread - thanks, CADbob, for dredging it up! If I had to distil everything down to a couple of ludicrously loaded oversimplifications, I'd be tempted to say B7 is more interesting, while Original ST is more exciting. On a mild tangent, 'Star Trek Generations' is one of the worst films I've ever seen. Sub-Crud. I just wanted you to know. Original Trek "more exciting" than B7? I hope not - most of original Trek is like watching paint dry ![]() ![]() No contest here is there? The most over-rated show of all-time (Original Trek) against one which is criminally under-rated (B7). Power to the rebellion! Vote Og.
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Cygnus Bazza |
Posted on 22-06-2025 17:22
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Original Trek "more exciting" than B7? I hope not - most of original Trek is like watching paint dry ![]() ![]() No contest here is there? The most over-rated show of all-time (Original Trek) against one which is criminally under-rated (B7). Mind you, there are a few B7 episodes that are like waiting for the undercoat. Only (semi) joking! Original Trek can't possibly be the most overrated TV show of all time. Not while there's 'Sherlock' and 'Gavin & Stacey' in the world. Not that I've seen a single episode of G&S. But happy to take that one on trust. Most underrated TV show? 'Ashes to Ashes'. Easy! Fire up Suzi Quattro. Cygnus of the skies, the prize and I will rise to win it
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BlueyH |
Posted on 23-06-2025 01:32
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On a mild tangent, 'Star Trek Generations' is one of the worst films I've ever seen. Sub-Crud. I just wanted you to know. I'd agree with that. On the flip-side though, I watch 'Star Trek IV - The One With The Whales' every year on my birthday. Nobody gets phasered or blown up, nobody dies, there's no big baddy to fight or a ridiculous battle at the end, it's just such a joyous romp of a time-travelling heist movie with a cast absolutely at the top of their game. I look exactly as Avon reasoned I would.
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M1795537OCVirn |
Posted on 23-06-2025 10:06
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On a mild tangent, 'Star Trek Generations' is one of the worst films I've ever seen. Sub-Crud. I just wanted you to know. I'd agree with that. On the flip-side though, I watch 'Star Trek IV - The One With The Whales' every year on my birthday. Nobody gets phasered or blown up, nobody dies, there's no big baddy to fight or a ridiculous battle at the end, it's just such a joyous romp of a time-travelling heist movie with a cast absolutely at the top of their game. ![]() "You're not sulking, I hope?"
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trevor travis |
Posted on 23-06-2025 11:50
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On a mild tangent, 'Star Trek Generations' is one of the worst films I've ever seen. Sub-Crud. I just wanted you to know. I'd agree with that. On the flip-side though, I watch 'Star Trek IV - The One With The Whales' every year on my birthday. Nobody gets phasered or blown up, nobody dies, there's no big baddy to fight or a ridiculous battle at the end, it's just such a joyous romp of a time-travelling heist movie with a cast absolutely at the top of their game. I agree. The One With The Whales is a good film. I like Star Trek II - The One Where Spock Dies (or does he?) as well. Shame most of the original series was a bit rubbish and formulaic, but you can't have everything. Vote Og.
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Cygnus Bazza |
Posted on 23-06-2025 12:17
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On a mild tangent, 'Star Trek Generations' is one of the worst films I've ever seen. Sub-Crud. I just wanted you to know. I'd agree with that. On the flip-side though, I watch 'Star Trek IV - The One With The Whales' every year on my birthday. Nobody gets phasered or blown up, nobody dies, there's no big baddy to fight or a ridiculous battle at the end, it's just such a joyous romp of a time-travelling heist movie with a cast absolutely at the top of their game. Yep. IV's good; soft spot for III; II is nowhere near as good as its reputation would suggest; V's a bit iffy; VI is decent; a bit like Wagner, I has some great moments but some pretty turgid half-hours. Cygnus of the skies, the prize and I will rise to win it
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trevor travis |
Posted on 23-06-2025 19:41
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On a mild tangent, 'Star Trek Generations' is one of the worst films I've ever seen. Sub-Crud. I just wanted you to know. I'd agree with that. On the flip-side though, I watch 'Star Trek IV - The One With The Whales' every year on my birthday. Nobody gets phasered or blown up, nobody dies, there's no big baddy to fight or a ridiculous battle at the end, it's just such a joyous romp of a time-travelling heist movie with a cast absolutely at the top of their game. Yep. IV's good; soft spot for III; II is nowhere near as good as its reputation would suggest; V's a bit iffy; VI is decent; a bit like Wagner, I has some great moments but some pretty turgid half-hours. I Absolute rubbish II Very good III Rubbish IV Lots of fun V Absolute rubbish VI Good Mind you, a 50% hit rate is better than the original series. Nowhere near B7's hit rate of 49 good, very good or excellent episodes, 1 half good and 2 slightly rubbish. Vote Og.
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Cygnus Bazza |
Posted on 23-06-2025 21:03
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Excellent! (Wrath of Khan = load of old Jodrell btw) If only there was a scientific method for establishing (i) by how much B7 is overrated by those who say it's underrated and (ii) by how much Original ST is underrated by those who say it's overrated - well, we could yet be in business. Cygnus of the skies, the prize and I will rise to win it
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trevor travis |
Posted on 23-06-2025 21:46
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Excellent! (Wrath of Khan = load of old Jodrell btw) If only there was a scientific method for establishing (i) by how much B7 is overrated by those who say it's underrated and (ii) by how much Original ST is underrated by those who say it's overrated - well, we could yet be in business. Og has put all the above into a complicated algorithm, while munching on six large meat feast pizzas. His conclusion is: He needs more pizza. Vote Og.
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trevor travis |
Posted on 24-06-2025 13:48
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And nearly two weeks too late, I realise I forget to RENOUNCE ORIGINAL TREK (BECAUSE IT'S A PILE OF RUBBISH) during the Voice From The Past rewatch, an episode so bad it should have been an episode of Original Trek ![]() ![]() Vote Og.
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Cygnus Bazza |
Posted on 24-06-2025 15:00
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And nearly two weeks too late, I realise I forget to RENOUNCE ORIGINAL TREK (BECAUSE IT'S A PILE OF RUBBISH) during the Voice From The Past rewatch, an episode so bad it should have been an episode of Original Trek ![]() ![]() Paddy Power laying odds of 9-4 on a Damascene conversion. 13-8 on a loft conversion. Cygnus of the skies, the prize and I will rise to win it
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Joe Dredd |
Posted on 25-06-2025 12:52
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Taiellin |
Posted on 26-06-2025 08:41
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In my opiniion, B7 is definitely better than the original series of Star Trek. I started watching it, and it is so boring. Infinitely boring. Many people told me that the classic series of Doctor Who could be boring, but I watched those episodes with great interest. I just finished watching The Enemy of the World for the second time. Patrick Troughton was great as the enemy of the Doctor, Salamander. You really sometimes think that those charaters can't be played by the same actor. All right, never mind about that. I just wanted to say that I usually liked old tv series, but Original Trek was... well, I finished watching The Alternative Factor, and I just didn't want to continue. I watched 27 episodes, and there were only a few interesting episodes. My former friend told me that the next episode was one of her favourite stories in the show, and the second season was much better. Well, I think I will get to it somehow. I also don't like half naked women and the way they treat women in this show. It was fine when I watched those episodes in B7 which a lot of people complained about. But it is a completely different situation here. That episode with Khan was rather strange, and I didn't like completely the way one of the crew members treated him, allowing him to threaten her. And then she just went with him. What a finale! As for B7, I like almost all episodes there. Even my least favourite episode The Voice from the Past has some interesting elements, so my choice is obvious. Edited by Taiellin on 26-06-2025 18:28 |
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littlesue |
Posted on 15-07-2025 18:17
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In my opiniion, B7 is definitely better than the original series of Star Trek. I started watching it, and it is so boring. Infinitely boring. Many people told me that the classic series of Doctor Who could be boring, but I watched those episodes with great interest. I just finished watching The Enemy of the World for the second time. Patrick Troughton was great as the enemy of the Doctor, Salamander. You really sometimes think that those charaters can't be played by the same actor. All right, never mind about that. I just wanted to say that I usually liked old tv series, but Original Trek was... well, I finished watching The Alternative Factor, and I just didn't want to continue. I watched 27 episodes, and there were only a few interesting episodes. My former friend told me that the next episode was one of her favourite stories in the show, and the second season was much better. Well, I think I will get to it somehow. I also don't like half naked women and the way they treat women in this show. It was fine when I watched those episodes in B7 which a lot of people complained about. But it is a completely different situation here. That episode with Khan was rather strange, and I didn't like completely the way one of the crew members treated him, allowing him to threaten her. And then she just went with him. What a finale! As for B7, I like almost all episodes there. Even my least favourite episode The Voice from the Past has some interesting elements, so my choice is obvious. The one redeeming thing about Voice from the Past is that rather nice computer expert in that black flowing shirt....... Cold! You don't know the meaning of the word cold! Cold is when you have ice on the INSIDE of your window!! Sue's Book Shelf https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z1xg...Zine_Shelf Rebel Run Video https://youtu.be/8prqS-XZtLo |
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