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Babylon 5 Rewatches Thursday 12th October 7.45 pm (BST)
AnneArthur
Paper newspapers are one of the things B5 gets very wrong. Garibaldi turning straight to the sports pages is not.
 
AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Yep, just like our world - slavery mopping up the destitute and giving them a place, as it always used to until the West discovered morals.


And still does, in some places.
 
AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

I want a lighting-up plant!!!


A starlace?
 
AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

You do realise I haven't watched B5 before, don't you? No spoilers, please. And don't tell OSP.


OK, I'll be very careful. I don't think Ko Dath's fate is much of a spolier - this is her last appearance (the actor clearly wasn't keen on the makeup).
 
M1795537OCVirn

AnneArthur wrote:

Paper newspapers are one of the things B5 gets very wrong. Garibaldi turning straight to the sports pages is not.


Giving the audience stereotypes to hang on to (like the American sports 'jock' males) amid all the futuristic strangeness is important.
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M1795537OCVirn

AnneArthur wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Yep, just like our world - slavery mopping up the destitute and giving them a place, as it always used to until the West discovered morals.


And still does, in some places.


One of the many things Servalan gets right in B7. Ha ha.
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AnneArthur wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

You do realise I haven't watched B5 before, don't you? No spoilers, please. And don't tell OSP.


OK, I'll be very careful. I don't think Ko Dath's fate is much of a spolier - this is her last appearance (the actor clearly wasn't keen on the makeup).


She deserved it. I have watched a few bits of B5, but never had time to focus on it properly. We didn't have a TV for a long time, and I guess I've never really developed a binge-watch habit. I do wonder how people manage to watch so much TV and remember every detail.
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AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Paper newspapers are one of the things B5 gets very wrong. Garibaldi turning straight to the sports pages is not.


Giving the audience stereotypes to hang on to (like the American sports 'jock' males) amid all the futuristic strangeness is important.


It tends to start with stereotypes as a shortcut, and then gets more complicated.
 
M1795537OCVirn

AnneArthur wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

AnneArthur wrote:

Paper newspapers are one of the things B5 gets very wrong. Garibaldi turning straight to the sports pages is not.


Giving the audience stereotypes to hang on to (like the American sports 'jock' males) amid all the futuristic strangeness is important.


It tends to start with stereotypes as a shortcut, and then gets more complicated.


Sounds interesting. Bring it on.
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AnneArthur
The insectoid crime boss vanishes after the end of this season - I think he was too expensive.
 
M1795537OCVirn
Have just realised that whoever uploaded this to dailymotion didn't incliude the adverts! Excellent.
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AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Have just realised that whoever uploaded this to dailymotion didn't incliude the adverts! Excellent.


Oh that is good! I have the DVDs, so am watching on that.
 
M1795537OCVirn
Think I might want one of those mind-recording-thingies, too.
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M1795537OCVirn
Trakis is a lot like Travis isn't it?
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AnneArthur
Sorry - there are all sorts of spoilers there, so I can't explain why, but I love that episode. It's also very bittersweet - we never really know how much Adira cares for Londo, and how much for his position, and I like Ivanova's secretiveness and pride.
Edited by AnneArthur on 12-10-2023 19:40
 
AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Trakis is a lot like Travis isn't it?


Yes, he is. No eye patch though, and no nifty laser arm weapon - just as well, really.
 
M1795537OCVirn

AnneArthur wrote:

Sorry - there are all sorts of spoilers there, so I can't explain why, but I love that episode.


That's worse than telling me!! Never mind. I'm glad for you. Enjoy!
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AnneArthur
Shall we start the next one in a couple of minutes? I'd like to get a glass of water.
 
AnneArthur
OK. Ready to start.
 
M1795537OCVirn
No problem. The one thing B7 didn't do very well was remembering plot details from one episode to the next. Everything was ...well. episodic (sorry) and only connected because of having the same characters. DW is even worse. I'm hoping what happens in B5 carries through into later eps.
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M1795537OCVirn
Ready?
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AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

No problem. The one thing B7 didn't do very well was remembering plot details from one episode to the next. Everything was ...well. episodic (sorry) and only connected because of having the same characters. DW is even worse. I'm hoping what happens in B5 carries through into later eps.


It does, very much so. The early series are rather good at having standalone plots, while also moving various subplots forward by little incidental scenes that don't mean much at the time. I actually think B7 hangs together better than it would seem to - although I realise that that is largely accidental!
 
M1795537OCVirn
Starting
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AnneArthur
Starting.
 
AnneArthur
I like it that you see the repairmen and the cleaners - mostly in the background, but they are there.
 
M1795537OCVirn
I'm glad most film-makers have ditched the thing of setting up the story and then interrupting it with the credits. Shove them at the end, where they belong, so that we can switch off and ignore them!
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M1795537OCVirn
Chekov is still cute. Just older and more worried.
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AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

Chekov is still cute. Just older and more worried.


Older and more dangerous - but yes, still cute.
 
AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

I'm glad most film-makers have ditched the thing of setting up the story and then interrupting it with the credits. Shove them at the end, where they belong, so that we can switch off and ignore them!


Absolutely.
 
M1795537OCVirn
The blonde lady has been in lots of things hasn't she?
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AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

The blonde lady has been in lots of things hasn't she?


Yes, lots of American police dramas, I think.
 
M1795537OCVirn
The psi corps are starting to sound a bit questionable, even if Chekov is one of them.
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AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

The psi corps are starting to sound a bit questionable, even if Chekov is one of them.


Yes . . .
 
AnneArthur
The way he lets you know he is reading your mind, when, legally, he shouldn't be.
 
M1795537OCVirn
It's another reworking of the 'power corrupts, absolute power corrupt absolutely'. Overcoming psi power is going to be difficult.
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M1795537OCVirn
The graphics are holding up better than the dialogue so far.
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AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

It's another reworking of the 'power corrupts, absolute power corrupt absolutely'. Overcoming psi power is going to be difficult.


Indeed it is. But here, they are not entirely in the wrong - Ironheart is clearly unbalanced, and clearly dangerous, although again it is the Psi Corps' recklessness that has made him that way.
 
M1795537OCVirn

AnneArthur wrote:

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

It's another reworking of the 'power corrupts, absolute power corrupt absolutely'. Overcoming psi power is going to be difficult.


Indeed it is. But here, they are not entirely in the wrong - Ironheart is clearly unbalanced, and clearly dangerous, although again it is the Psi Corps' recklessness that has made him that way.


Don't say they're human!!
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AnneArthur

M1795537OCVirn wrote:

The graphics are holding up better than the dialogue so far.


One Babylon 5 fansite I have seen has sections for 'dialogue to wind back for' and 'dialogue to fast forward past' - it is patchy, to say the least.
 
M1795537OCVirn
Ironheart is going to burn himself out if he goes on like this.
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